My Apologizes to everyone for my fine use of the English Language…in the post above this.

I hope you where able to get buy my awful spelling etc… and my point(s)were somewhat clear.

I did not spell check, I live in So.Cal…and we have not had the Sun out before 1:00pm almost everyday for 3 months. And “FS” beat me to the registration of 3dconcerts.com by months…lol

Oh…among other things I wanted to clarify of the point(s) I tried to make.

I meant to write, that the Cowboys backed out of the deal…when they thought they where buying the domain: Cowboys .com for $275.00…not $275K.

For God sakes the Cowboys alone are worth 1.7+ Billion dollars.

Now that is just way to big of a “Disconnect”

And only one example of thousands & thousands of company’s out there…that just do not “Get It”

Peace!
Dan

All I have know since my 1st domain conference…which was the first “DomainFest” in Hollywood Ca.

Is this: (IMHO)

These conference…always cost a decent amount …and prices to attend have gone almost through the roof in the last 2 years, shortly to be 3 years….In a HUGE Recession.

Now for many who attend…Price point is not a problem…1k, 2k 3k 4k 5k…pretty much just the cost of “hooking up” and “BSing” for a few days with…like mined people.

I get it..

That is NOT my biggest problem.

The whole ‘focus is and has been all wrong.

It is always”

#1. Seminars…some good some “so-so”…this is OK..BUT most are or have been about “Parking”

I thought 3 years ago it should be about “development”…and I think you will start to see this.

#2. ‘Domainers’ selling domains to other “domainers is fine I guess…but that was and always has been the wrong focus of having a “domain auction”

#3. How about “Inviting” guys & gals in the “Madison Ave Advertising World”…and EDUCATING them for FREE!

#4. How about inviting people who are using “Generic Domain Name Assets” to a HUGE advantage for their Company’s…(J&J)comes to mind. ( baby.com & hundreds more.

Have them give a “Presentation.” NOT TO A ROOM FULL OF “DOMAINER’s”….

BUT,

A room full of Madison Ave Ad executives and Marketing &adverting people from the whole Forunate 500 & 200…etc.

#5. If we have to get every “active”.. Generic Domain Asset Holder”….to make donation(s) for say 6 months or so…so we can reach out and get these people all in the SAME PLACE for a couple days….EVERYTHING WOULD CHANGE.

CUT OUT THE “SELF INTEREST” Domain Parking & Domain Action “BS”….

We have always been just ‘cannibalizing’ our selfs…

NO WONDER,

In almost 2011..98% of the whole world does not know what “cybersquatting” is…

I know most writers in Tech or Business publications… write articles everyday, that are full of miss-reputations, miss guided “BS”, Lies etc….

It is getting a bit better..as everyone has notice a lot more “generic Domain names” being used seriously.

BUT,

It is NOT because of OUR GREAT DOMAIN CONFERENCES ~ “PARTIES”!

Is their anyone READING THIS “THINK”…

That if say:

Frank Shilling Or Rick Schwartz Or Acro Or “almost anyone” that has made a post in this thread would have spent 12 minutes with Mr. Jerry Jones back when these morons thought they where buying Cowboys.com…

That these guys would have had no problem in making “Jerry” see…even if he paid a Million dollars or more…he was still getting a “deal of a lifetime.

$275k…he could have made that back in less than 6 months by just “redirecting” the domain to: dallascowyboys .com

**SIDE BAR**: Frank Shilling could have convinced “Jerry” in less than 2 minutes.

My main point I guess…Domain Conferance(s) main FOCUSES…have been 75% wrong the last 4+ years…

AND ONLY THE LEADERS OF THIS INDUSTRY CAN HELP TURN THIS AROUND….we ALL need to do our share..

But for the “Good of everyone on the ship”…

We need the leaders of “domain name conferences…

To change their “MINDSET”!

“Parking” company’s can also…prosper in a much better and larger way also.

“GENERIC DOMAIN ASSETS ~ FOR END USERS”

GOAL #1 For everyone for the next 100+years.

Especially at “domain conferences”

Goal #2. Everyone always listen to two people..

John Berryhill
Frank Shilling

Again…IMHO as always…lol

Thanks for taking a look at my “Rant” it has been a long time…2008 when “frank” shut down his blog…lol

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Bit Of Trivia:

Not Proud of this, but at that first “Domain Fest”

I was in one of the conferences (legal) John Berryhill “MC” It….

The top domain Attorney for Microsoft got up and did about a 30 minute “Power Point” show.

To my complete SHOCK…I was a good 5 minutes of it…the room was “standing room only”…LOL

I sank down in my seat”sweating”…LOL

Luckily he just referred to me through a company name…and no one really has ever known the true story of: Me VS. MS

Anyway…

Something I would avoid at all cost…LOL

Everything work out MUCH BETTER than I could have ever expected… ALL do to a person we all know or have heard of.

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Peace To All…

“GENERIC DOMAIN ASSETS ~ FOR END USERS”

Buy them ~ Sell Them ~ Trade Them ~ Develop Them

For Yourself and/Or a “End User”!

May all your domains be profitable..one way or another.

*****FIVE STARS ~ To getting to domain conference “educating the ‘RIGHT PEOPLE’ On “GENERIC DOMAIN ASSETS” and their many proper values and uses.

Domainers are NOT The “RIGHT PEOPLE”

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Best,
Dan Brown
(‘companyone’ on the major domain forum(s).

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Alan – I appreciate your points, I think to go forward we need to discuss the things that hold us down and find a way to get rid of these shackles.

Raymond – I had *no idea* the domain was taken Congratulations on the idea, I’ll check it out once you start the blog.

Stephen – Thanks for taking the time to add some very interesting points to the discussion. It seems that the answer to the question about one’s domainer status or “purity” should come from each person individually. It would make an interesting statistical analysis.

It takes balls for you to say you’re “not a domainer” by definition. I respect that.

For me, I am a pure domainer. I’ve been one for at least six years, working on nothing but domain interests, including appraising, development, consulting, buying and selling. All of my income come is from “independent” involvement in domain investing, analysis and buy/sell at every level.

That said, Rick could be called a “pure domainer”, because the majority of his income (he has us believe) is from providing domain valuation information, promoting domaining, and buying/selling domains. No, he’s not a developer, but that doesn’t make him any less a true domainer.

Additionally, you have to figure if someone makes more than 50% of their non-salary independent income from domains (at some level) then they’re probably a domainer.

Would you call Ammar Kubba a “domainer”? No, with all due respect, he doesn’t make his money from domain sales/revenue as a privately owned company. Would Frank Schilling be a “domainer”? We all know the answer to that one.

So, really, a domainer is someone who learns about domain values, how to buy/sell domains for profit, and doesn’t do it from a public domain service company as a salaried employee. Is Ron Sheridan a domainer? How about Monte Cahn?

For me, a domainer is an independent investor in domains, focusing their work specifically on domain investing, buying and selling domains, and at least 50% of their annual income is based on domaining THEY specifically created and worked on as individuals (regardless of hired hands).

I work with some pretty smart guys who know about domaining inside and out, yet don’t even own 200 domains themselves. I wouldn’t call them domainers, but I respect them the same.

@ Acro — dangit, this article better not be a “farce”!!!

Thx for letting me post here.

“Domainers can be individuals or even corporations, but NOT those who feed off of Domainers like Parking Companies, SEO Optimizers, and Developers”

Strangely Domainers(in what seems to be Rick and Howard’s Definition) here are the people who are the ones who actually FEED off the service providers and NOT the other way around.

When did a group of “domainers” in this definition ever create a value added asset to the real world?

or a service of any value that you can make money from with your domains?

Google and Yahoo create the advertising feed – surely not domainers.

No – these pure domainers as you like to define have made very little difference in the world of domaining.

It is those people who are not “domainers” that create the tools so you can earn money from your domains.

Without parking companies none of your assets would be worth a whole lot now would they?

As Acro said, I’m not a domainer and never want to be just that. Some of us have actually have higher ambitions in live however do not be fooled by thinking domainers as defined in the comments here are anything but salesman of assets.

This is why the group Rick defines will be smaller and smaller and less relevant as time goes by.

It’s not about the sponsors or even the panels, for me it’s “you never know who you are going to meet at Traffic.”

As for other conferences, the bigger the conference and the more distractions (parties , booths etc) you are competing for attention with too many people. That’s why I think the DomainFest local day events will deliver more business ROI than the bigger conference.

Perhaps we are saying the same thing in different words, after all: I want to ensure that the domain industry expands, that domainers receive support and education and that it all moves forward. I believe in constructing alliances that aren’t based on pure, elemental domain-related business. It’s how you forged the Candy.com deal, it’s how others build web sites and do SEO or create domain discussion communities etc. We are not islands in an archipelago

Now, I know you are not a fan of DomainGang but I also know that Howard tries hard to let you see the light side of domaining – at least as defined by some of us. Yes, poking fun at certain public figures is a gesture of appreciation and looking up to; it’s a stimulant to the ways we approach the domain industry.

DomainGang.com is not fiction – not in its entirety at least – and there’s a “100%” graphic nowadays indicating the reality status of every post.

And that’s the point I wanted to make, without necessitating anything else.”

And that is why you can’t be all things to all people because what you state. So we want to focus on those 480 plus anyone that is growing and has the passion and desire and is constructive. Somebody from the outside can easily bring in the next idea that will become the turning point, but it is about who we actually target and cater to. We don’t ask how much you make in the domain industry nor even the amount of time, but that is also why we don’t do $99. There has to be some barrier and monetary always seems to cut right to it.

And let’s be honest, the $799 EB admission we offered that includes all your food and drink etc is not exactly out of reach for most business people whether domainers or not.