I like Owen Frager – for what he stands: old school, corporate and surrounded by the laurels of a career spanning several decades.
In fact, I dedicated to him – via DomainGang – an entire article: “10 reasons why we like Frager Factor“.
But lately, Owen seems to have been fixated with other domainers, to the point of name-calling.
First, he ran into Morgan Linton‘s face – the head-on collision led to a response by Morgan (now deleted) and an apology by Owen. The argument was minor, but the temperatures ran hotter than the “hot wife” Owen talks about earlier today.
Now, it seems that Owen is concerned over my reference to the new generation of domainers causing a “domain Hiroshima”.
I should have said “newer” not “new” – because I’m two months older than Rob Monster, who turns 43 this August.
With regards to claiming lack of experience and thus being born with a “birth defect” – crafty but tasteless reference to post-Hiroshima radioactive effects – I will say this: discount the younger generation all you want, but they will be taking care of you in your final resting days.
I don’t expect Owen to apologize, because I know he loves the ratings as much as I do. The difference is, I don’t talk bullshit and I’m not afraid of people with ideas that are fresher and better than mine.
Great reply. I will be 43 on the 15 th and George Pickering in September. 1967 year of the Internet Entrepreneur being born.
Just wanted to make it clear I’m no fresh pony out of the stable 😀
Sorry you felt offended. I felt offended when I read your post. You make some good points. btw, everyone puts words in my mouth:
Birth defect had nothing to do with your reference- I believe a birth defect of being born digital is never having the experience that 70% of the world does. To do, feel or see or hear something that technology has obsoleted (but the masses haven’t embraced) presents a tremendous opportunity to innovate.
I thrive on new and fresh ideas from others that’s why the Frager Creative Group (my day job- Google them) brings together teams from all backgrounds and ages (chemistry that the client could never achieve on their own) and clients credit this approach to driving their success.
I appreciate your affection, Domain Gang post as well as your obvious skills, talent and work. In fact I wrote to you about doing some design work for us, but you never responded.
Interesting that you mention Rob Monster because he is the perfect example of the dual-generation boomer who leverages a deep pedigree so clients without it, get the benefit of all he did to become informed and able to deliver results without time or effort.
Remember, life is a work in progress. The Internet never pauses or sleeps for stragglers to catch up. And blogging is about opinions, debating and sharing. In this context everyone is right and everyone is also wrong. You read you decide what you takeaway from it.
As for the bullshit, I prefer to call it marketing.
Peace,
Owen
Dear Owen – I am not offended at all. But please point me to where I, personally, put words in your mouth.
Does your “Frager Factor” character maintain a distinct color in the domain community? Of course. So does everyone else, although some of us like to ‘yap’ a bit more.
Nobody assaulted your ideas, creations or success. I think you need to see the overall picture when it comes down to professionals who happen to blog – we don’t blog as a self-fulfilling purpose, it’s an extension of our personality and business endeavors.
We are all ‘guilty as charged’ with regards to using sensationalist headlines. I’m sure this one caught your attention.
Perhaps, a virtual beer – versus a “Hiroshima” – would be more appropriate to share this fine Friday evening and with that in mind, have a cold one. 😀
Respectfully,
Theo
Well spoken Acro, well spoken Frager. Timidity is for the birds. I propose a toast to the two of you.
Salut!
I propose a little experiment: I’ll write an article ‘Frager’ style and Owen will write an article ‘Acro’ style; then we will confuse the readers.
This is fun. Regardless of the outcome, remember that I am the faster domainer out there with my 18:18 5K time, 1:29 half marathon, 3:16 marathon.
Putting words in my mouth (not necessarily you) when people say “we” means all domainers when it should be “I” when in fact my blog represents not just me but a team behind it and that’s why I say “we”.
You putting words in my mouth by assuming my use of birth defects as a copywriters headline wordplay was “crafty but tasteless reference to post-Hiroshima radioactive effects” No it wasn’t. It was a way of saying what I went on to say that the Birth Defect is being born in a digital world and not having “analog” in one’s dna.
Any way crazy stuff. Not worth another second on. As for the copy trade offer, I couldn’t deliver because I don’t write most of my stuff. I outsource it to the local phyc ward. Gives the patients a way to exploit the creativity their meds opens. Perhaps Fabrice can run with that as a story idea.
Whaaaa?
stupid me, I assumed this whole time that “Acro” was just an Pseudonym or Acronym for someone who “Fragerized” other peoples ideas and articles.
Owen – I must say that it’s clear when you do explain it, but isn’t a punchline on a marketing campaign or billboard the selling point? Sort of like the “Is your wife hot” article – in small print it was a reference to an A/C unit repair service.
In this case, having “Hiroshima” next to “birth defects” combines imagery of a holocaust nuclear explosion with the birth defects that did follow. My perception of it – which you seem to affirm by the reference to a non-digital generation predating today’s professionals – is that those born “before the war” are “pure” and untouched by any radioactive fallout.
At any rate, I think it’s a matter of being constructive vs. destructive – as nuclear energy has proven to be.
Errr,,
a big 🙂 should have followed that last comment!
Dean, did you stop counting after the 3rd beer? 😀
Third?
I am working on my 5th and 6th. It’s ok though, they are just virtual beers anyways. Need to run a virus scan, intruder alert!
😉
Wrong assumption again. The post was about a billboard and to exemplify the use of a domain in advertising in an unexpected way. It’s supposed to spark ideas in your head about what else your domain could be doing and who might buy it. The focal point of my blog is a historical record that tracks the evolution of domains in advertising. This is my niche and where I believe the bread lies. Simple concept
1. Companies pay millions for media
2. Today with distracted attention spans, the conversation needs to be continued on the web
3. If the call-to-action can’t be remembered later from the blink of an eye or one’s back to the TV, that multi-million investment is wasted
4.The right domain can support or impede the ROI of any campaign. If they can’t find you or remember you, what’s a few million from a $100 million dollar budget for the right domain c all-to-action. This is the big picture. A simple value proposition.
I write about it because no one else does. By educating the 50% of my readers who come from agencies and corporations (see my emails for list) we are slowly but surely opening new prospects and new opportunities.
Owen, I don’t disagree with what you’re attempting to deliver and educate us with. In fact, just because I spent the better part of last decade working in the same industry, I had the chance to experience the switch between the “old world” to the “digital world”. My analysis of Hiroshima/birth defects visuals is simply that of someone who sees those two references together – there’s no other connotation than I can think of.
I fully agree that today’s world suffers from short attention spans and the web offers a new medium that despite being digital, is still a projection of a marketing director’s creativity.
Can’t we all just get along?
Jerry – Yes we can. It’s all a matter of overriding the digital world for the real, analog one 🙂
Yes we can! (Hey that strategy hasn’t gone well for Obama!)